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Chabinga, Mwamba were dreaming, fantasising says Nalumango

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VICE-PRESIDENT Mutale Nalumango says the conversation in a leaked audio between Mafinga member of Parliament Robert Chabinga and Minister of Community Development and Social Services Doreen Mwamba is by two people who were dreaming and fantasizing.

Nalumango said it was important for the people of Zambia to interpret the full story in the leaked audio whether it was Artificial Intelligence (AI) or not.

She said the audio between Chabinga and Mwamba was a conversation between two people who were dreaming and it was not Government’s position.

“It was a talk between two people, dreaming and fantasising like all of you have done. Like all of you have done, all of us including myself. If you asked me, I was going to find a solution, but maybe it was not going to work,” Nalumango said.

She said the conversation was just a suggestion, adding that at no time did she hear anyone saying government should bribe a judge.

“You need to interpret the full story, whether it is AI or not. Listening to that, it is not talking about government bribing. That, also, is a suggestion. I listened, unless I didn’t listen. It was a suggestion, so those were proposals and suggestions. There was nowhere in that proposal unless I missed it, that the government has decided to go and bribe a judge in South Africa,” Nalumango said.

She admitted that it was a talk between two people, dreaming and fantasising like everyone could do including herself.

Yesterday, during the 45 minutes Vice-President’s question time, Mpika Central Member of Parliament Francis Kapyanga said the Chabinga audio was talking about bribing the South African High Court judge to procure a judgement in favour the Government over former president Edgar Lungu repatriation.

Kapyanga said the audio was in bad taste and puts the country in an awkward situation.

He said the entire country and the outside world was asking whether there were intentions by the government to bribe a South African High Court judge.

“The nation must be addressed as to what is happening. Madam Speaker, the question to the Vice President is, when will the government address the issues raised in the audio between the Cabinet Minister and a Member of Parliament who is even in court over the issues of the Patriotic Front and the Registrar of Societies?” Kapyanga said.

 

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